If u are tired of paying so much for turkey loads try the 3 inch Federal Flight Control loads they work awsome and will not break the bank. I have used and tried many diferent expensive and non expensive loads and the Federals always seem to pattern better. I have used them for the last 3 years and have never had a bird ever get up from being shot with them. I shot a bird at 63 yards with these shells and the bird didn't even kick.