"I now hunt my own land in Crawford county, its not as bad as the big woods but its getting there ,year by year."

I know what you mean Jim. Same deal down here. 55000 tags is taking its toll. For not even being an sra, thats a joke. We are far far below cc, and numbers are half what they used to be, and thats if you believe the data. Id bed less, as most arent even seeing close to half what we used to. Hunting can be fine if you have completely off limts property to hunt. But the tags have taken there toll and they arent being responsibly dropped as they shouldve been years ago when the goal supposedly became stabilization. Every since, its been a slow steady drain. Much of Western Pa is currently living on its reputation from what ive read posted on a couple posts. The western part overall used to have tons of deer. Not so now. Hunter dissatisfaction is extemely high. Compared to other areas of the state there are more pockets with deer especially in completely off limits areas and urban areas like parts of unit 2B, but thats more or less because more of those areas exist in this part of the state. Units 2C have taken far more pounding then shouldve been the case, 2A is in a steady downhill spiral, and Jim says his area up in crawford is declining. So much for the great west. 2B has high deer density in pockets, gives good odds of killing a good buck, but good luck with the access. Adjustments are needed across the board.

"The talk of guys just quiting bothers me but I don't know how things will change for the better.

New blood,and new education."

I agree. New blood in the game commission is exactly what we need, coupled with education on the need for addressing hunter concerns to some extent in deer management issues.