hey there. these are great stands!! the web seat is unbelievably comfortable, light weight, as easy to pack in anywhere as a climber. i have a summit viper climber and i am going to buy a second pack and stack!! and 13 ft high is plenty high enough. i went to PA this year... shot a nice 9pt 170#. and i saw more deer that anyone in the group out of the pack and stack. 1st morning had a 4pt right underneath me and 1st night a different 4 pt right underneath me again.... which i could attach the pics i took. buy em... you can't lose at that price anyways!!!