"Actually, I get together quite well with my father, largely because when he gets on his soapbox about deer populations I consider the source and don't give it much credence..."

Yeah. Sure sounds like it. lol

"since it doesn't make much sense when you consider it from a broad objective perspective. My perspective seems to be shared since Illinois has recently implemented a deer reduction program."

Then whats the problem with you taking this "preaching of the word" to your own forum... One you actually have a stake in, where guys are complaining last I checked.

" I don't know that it will be too effective since folks who sound surprisingly like you wanted a watered down reduction plan so as to not cut into their easy big buck pickings. So, when the numbers don't drop like they should and pretty dramatic measures are then required that cause a very sharp (but still needed) reduction, the same people are gonna be screaming as loud as you are in PA."

Oh absolutely if that ever ends up being the case. And rightfully so. Would be something wrong with them if they didnt.

"I consider this forum a practice for eventually having to deal with them."

Wow, you go against dad due to your beliefs even calling the guy senile, you practice arguments in threads about states you have absolutely nothing to do with, so you can "practice" for defending very very extreme practices? Sheesh, if that doesnt sound like the beliefs of an environmental extremist Im not sure what the hell is!!!!

Lets face it, those type arent exactly gonna log in... say "hello fellas, im from the woodpecker lane chapter of (pick state) audubon society (or similar obtuse econut group), id like to tell you all how stupid you all are and hopefully you'll then see things my way, btw, i love wildflowers and such."

But since none of that happened, I guess its safe to assume NONE of us on this board or any of the others have that type of agenda right?

There are several known WHACKO audubon mouthpieces whove claimed at least to be avid hunters, so that alone is meaningless. Their views are no more acceptable or reasonable whether they are being truthful or not.