"One reason I feel we are not getting the credibility we deserve as hunters is they way we put forth our side of the argument."

And i strongly disagree. The reason we arent listened to is because of the people and the agendas involved and it doesnt matter if we were all the biggest gypsies on the face of the earth speaking slang through our 3 teeth or if we were all rocket scientists dressed in bowties speaking to pgc in Latin. Our goals are not conducive to current pgc goals and they wouldnt be no matter how "polished" we are. I also dont see alot of other states disciminating agains the "dumb hunters" in their states. Most make hunting itself a high priority.

"Remember the jokes about Dr. Alt wearing a bullet proof vest?"

Its called a sense of humor. And it in no way diminishes the real and very obviously intellectual posts/statements that show the deer program a complete failure and farce. As for alt, it cant help but be funny. Its so outrageous a situation and extreme you cant help but laugh, especially since no harm came to the guy anyway. When a deer program is so extreme it forces the "head" of it to fear for his life, you know your state has severe management issues.

"Yea like we are going get taken seriously, by whom?"

Tell me again....How long has it been since pgc had a fee increase? And exactly why is that? Because someone took us and the situation seriously.

"We need to act as "one" and a far better "one" than has been leading the charge, the pendulum swings both ways and its about time it starts back the other way."

Agreed. Especially about the pendulum. But just saying that it should, in passing, and letting it go from there isnt gonna change that one way momentum.