I just am seriously dissapointed in the LW. I got it on the recommendation of others and thought I had my last stand. I gave it a very fair shake in my opinion and it just simply doesn't do what I need it to. IMO, there is no comparison for ease of setup and climbing of the Summits. I'm more of a hand climber guy and I the LW guys told me I couldn't use the sit and climb as a hand climber. They said it would tweak the top frame eventually. That, to me, tells me they aren't as sturdy as they should be.