Thanks Sproul, I was just up in 4D right on the outskirts of Black Moshannon all day Saturday, had to walked off about 7-8 miles. Saw 1 grouse, no squirrel, no turkey, no chippys, did see a few doe and came across a few nice scrape lines. It really kinda blows when you take the shotgun out for a walk and don't even see anything to shoot at.