Zeiss Victory's!!! used to have swaro's and the leicas...but I like zeiss best!!! leo's are good but for a few more dollars why not get the best and be done with it. If you are a die-hard hunter you will have them the rest of your life and the way I feel is my glass is my number one tool in my hunting bag!

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good luck

If ya can't see it, ya can't kill it!!