I know what you mean about Pa. Years ago before the big killoff I hunted Potter and Tioga County during bow season and decided to try rifle when it opened. I was staying in a small hunters type bar and motel and hunted the ridge just off Rt6. i got up in the dark and within an hour saw about 25 deer which were mostly doe and a couple of small bucks. Then the shooting started and I actually feared for my life. I had deer dropping all around me and got out of there never to return. Ohio wasn't quite as bad but it was still way more crowded than I am comfortable with. In Ohio we found a person with 3000 acres that would give free permission. We showed up on the opener and the road was clogged with trucks. I guess the report was they gave out permission to 250 hunters. We tried the Wayne forrest and it was better but still kind of crowded.