i work for a friend in his pawn shop part time when i can. i worked today and a guy came in and we got to talking . he has a 480 ruger says its awesome. tried to talk me into it ,but i think the 454 is for me. i checked prices and dealer cost from a dist. that pays shipping is 523.00. in stock . now i have to wait until income tax unless i can talk my bud into letting me work it out. i do that alot on guns and other things .its good to have friends that own pawnshops. the guy is going to bring his 480 in ,ill check it out but i think i want the 454. ruger i blocked my email but you may still have it on your records . i would like to know your secret. ill send you one. thanks