Well put steve863. Also, if people do the research they will see that most places where there are AR's in this country, the total deer harvest declined for a long period of time. And some places it never got back to what it was before AR's. In my opinion, decreasing the amount of deer taken is the exact opposite of managing the herd. NYS needs to control the population of the herd, not let the deer get bigger. It is just as important to remove a young buck as it is to remove a mature buck.