I guess a lot of it is in your view point. For me with crud ring that I have with 777 I have to spend 5 minutes scrubbing and brushing between each shot. I will never shot that stuff again. Now Pyrodex is a good powder I used it for many years and still like it, and use it in some guns, it just takes a bit more to get the same results. I guess I am amazed at all the crying over a couple of dollars, if you don't like it you don't have to buy it, if you are not going to buy it why cry? Lee