You can keep calling every thing I say a "red herring" if you want, but w/ all due respect, your arguments dont seem to be based on any sort of logic. Do you actually expect me to believe, that hunters who shoot yearlings, really dont agree w/ their own actions of shooting them, they just do it cause they think thats the best they can get? Co mon. Anyone who's been to the SF visitor center, can see the photo albums ,filled w/ 120" -160"+ bucks and know theres opportunities to kill some dandys in the park, if you choose to hold out. Did it ever occur to you that mabye, these hunters are shooting spikes and forks .....BECAUSE THEY WANT TO?!?!? I think the AR crowd needs to realize, alot of hunters just wanna shoot a deer ,any deer, bring home some meat, spend time in the woods, and have some fun. whats wrong w/ that? I'd also love to know, how many of you AR supporters, killed a big buck for your 1st? Chances are it was a yearling, or buck that would not be legal under many ARs, but you probably were plenty content to kill that buck at the time,werent you? Now you want to take that away from those who are coming up behind you, so you show you're a more elite hunter than another. A bit hypocritical IMO.