Haystack, what im getting at is the longer these cams are out the more problems you're seeing. I also believe the 2 yr warranty is a gimmick just to get ppl to buy the cam. But time will tell. And let me remind you that the links you provided are older then the 1 i did. Would you honestly recommend a cam to someone when your seeing more and more negative reviews? I think you're alot smarter then that. I've read alot of your posts over in the wildlife/food plot forum and you always give great advice.