rh160kid, youll get no argument from me about NYC hunters, even though I use to be one technically(wasnt raised in NYC just lived there in my 20s) I agree w/ you about them pretty much, and have had more than my share of negative experiences in SF w/ guys up from the city on opening day, but with that said, a NYC hunter beats the hell out of a NYC liberal antigun/antihunter ,thats for sure. Fact is, we need to grow our #s ,especially in the NE,if hunting is going to stay legal for future generations, even if we have to share the woods with some A- holes.