p.s., Bill.... Don' t be surprised to see some really high-tech HR setups showing up next year. Hoyt / Samick / PSE / risers with carbon/foam limbs tricked out to shoot off a legal shelf with ultra-light carbons and screw-in tips shot three-under with a gap system at targets within point blank range will most likely be shot by the guys spending most of the gift certificates next year. More than a few of the RU shooters have decided it' s the only thing left to do. That should liven things up a bit.