thanks for the response. our last trip over there showed fewer signs of disturbance so i hope the rest of the season will progress into only us being on my farm. we saw a few deer wednesday and that is a positive sign. glad to kow there is still some success from normal people like us that arent on a high fence ranch. good luck on the public land. HOpe ya bag a big one! its awesome you take your 13 yr old. my boy will be 5 this season and i hope to take him out with me a few times this year. cant wait!