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08-16-2003 | 08:35 PM

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Len in Maryland

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From: Baltimore Maryland USA

RE: The tuning trilogy!

Certain people thrive on being anonymous and creating tension by continuously making an argument about anything they can. Talking down to people and talking badly to people makes me think they' re trying to make themselves feel better; but, when they decide to remain anonymous, I don' t care to ' play' .

I know who I am and most others do as well. Many have visited my shop and know what kind of operation I run and where I stand on ' truth' - whether it be in one-on-one situations or manufacturers' advertising.

While I would be glad to explain what I do and where I stand to ANY other person posting, I WILL NOT respond to c903 unless and until he/she reveals their identity and starts posting in a more civil way.

ArthurP: I totally understand your decision not to accept the ' yield' ; but, what can I do. I have told the manufacturers by various ways that this situation stinks. I tell my customers not to buy certain arrows because of the yield factor. Guess what, they still want them. I don' t know of any other shop in the nation that warns their customers about this situation and provides spin testers for them to use. They require arrows and, if they don' t buy them from me with the knowledge and testing that I provide, they would wind up buying them from another source.

As far as the tire situation you describe, I think you should reconsider that scenario. Many of today' s tires can' t be checked by the consumer. They are balanced under a ' no load' situation and then are subjected to tremendous stress. My wife and I have had some horrible problems with tires in the past six months. One blow out, several broken/damaged belts and excessive noise after 1/4 to 1/2 the life of the tire. While the manufacturers give you great advertising, the truth is far from revealed until thousands of miles later. Should we make them put a dial indicator on the tire while it is on the balancing machine? Couldn' t you just hear the tire Dealer screaming or even laughing at you? Yes, the tire Dealer will ' honor' the warranty, but only after he prorates the tires. How do we prorate an arrow that is found out after the fact? At least I advise my customers ' up front' .

You mentioned ' obviously' bad. In the extreme cases that we have found, we yanked the arrows from the batch and gave the customers better ones. But, where do I draw the line? What is acceptable to one may be totally unacceptable to another. When you call a manufacturer on this issue, they' ll gladly send you out another arrow/set. But, HOW MANY GET OUT THERE THAT ARE BAD? The small percentage that may be returned is peanuts to the volume sold.

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My solution is that I' m not buying any more carbon arrows for the foreseeable future. Y' all let me know if they ever get half as good as aluminum arrows.

I really don' t blame you. But keep in mind that we' re now only seeing it in limited batches and that they are getting better in their yield. In other words, they' re not as bad as what we saw a few years ago. They still, however, don' t meet the advertised specs at least 20% of the time.

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