Chris I'm Glad you knew who they were.I guess since your one of a few just so bent out of shape over the pheasant situation that when anything goes astray in the PGC or BOC Jays name is the only you can use because hes the only one you and a few of your friends would like to attack personally every chance they get,now I uderstand.

My posts arent going off the deep end,Just trying to 'reel' you in a little.Actually its refreshing to see you admit your not qualified,not something alot of people can admit.And as far as playing Politics thats part of the game no wants to play but you what,its out there and alot of people play it weither we want to believe it or not,weither we like or not.How do you think a bow season for bear got passed? Politics.How do you think a xtra Spring turkey tag got on the license? Politics.unfortunately its out there in places it shouldnt be but when it works for those who wnat something its fine and we all plug along,when it doesnt,look out,the sky is falling.

I did call you young.That was just a compliment.Your 15 yrs younger then me so I've seen a few more things then you have so far,some good,some bad.Your likely to see the same in the future.

Now Jay is and was Mr PA. You guys are really something LOL.Some proof would go a long ways you know.

I would start a thread on the Conservation groups but I'm considered the guys that bashes one over the other when in fact I'm just stating facts that some dont like to hear and would rather not like have made public.

When in fact I'm the bad guy who went to one already established group to help another just getting off the ground get paid for a habitat project that their very own biologist never told them about or that they could get paid for it too or the days to show up for the project.

I was also the bad guy who went to the already established conservation groups habitat chairman to cut the guys who showed up to work at the project and cut them a check from one conservations groups funds so they could open 'their' own bank account for 'thier' conservation organazation.I'm one bad son of a..

Nope I'm not gonna go that route.I'm content in knowing what I know and what I've done and what I'll continue to do.I'm sure there will come a time when we discuss this on another webiste tho and your very likey to see my same replies.So send Jeff here if you havent already so he'll have ample time to have some good answers for me and some decent proof that Mr PA is and was Jay....Thats really good stuff there.He wouldnt ever lower himself to that level but think as you wish.Take care,Paul...