You know thee 100gr. Eastmans they sell at walmart? Come in a 3pack for like $9.95 I think. Thats what i took this bull with and he went about 50 yds before he fell.. Now I mean in no way shape or form am I knocking Rage, but they are so high priced and too new to really know the pros and cons until after this year because of all the hype about them. I do want to shoot them because because of the uncensored footage I watched on Rage website, blood just flows from the entry wound! But I really believe that its the man behind the bow rather than whats in front of the arrow.. May try them, may not!