Thanks man I saw your pics and knew it was a flash, I have had mixed results, most of the time the flash doesn't seem to bother them I just hate it to be the one time it does and blows the monster out of the area. I will probba;y go with the flash model I like the color nighttime pics and the flash distance is good. Moultrie does good for me I get great pics its just the IR mode seems to kick in even during the day so the image quality is less nad they pics are grey at least 80-90% I just like the color pics I think it is more fun to get them.