Thanks guys. I' ve spent the last couple of weeks trying to figure this thing out. I even called CVA to ask them what they thought. What a great guy I encountered there. His name is Dave, and I would recommend him to anyone looking for advice. I even bought a gun for my son by the time I was done. He believes a lot of my problems are coming from the 3f. He thinks it' s too hot of a load. He also guaranteed that rifle that I purchased to shoot two inch groups at a hundred yards, or send it back. That' s the kind of things I wanted to hear from Traditions. Thanks again.