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Old 06-20-2009 | 08:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: R.S.B.

ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

"Almost all Eastern states with the exception of NE states are now this liberal with bag limits on deer."

Not ONE other eastern state has even close to 900,000 hunters and deer densities as low as ours along with them.


I also have no problems with any state including pa being able to harvest as many deer per person as tags are available going from wmu to wmu. Problem is, many wmus should have lower allocations. It is fine to get say 4 doe tags if you want to hunt 3 or 4 wmus and they are available. Its quite another when you can get 2 three or 4 in ONE wmu here in Pa where the added harvest is far from needed.

You are correct that no other state, not only in the eastern U.S., but anywhere in the nation has as many hunters as what we have in Pennsylvania. Why isn’t that considered as a positive thing instead of a negative?

But, you keep repeatedly making this claim that all the other states have higher deer densities and based on some research I just did I find that statement to be both FALSE and misleading.

Not all of the surrounding states express a deer population estimate, just like Pennsylvania no longer provides to the public. But I am going to post the deer density estimates for the surrounding states that did release an estimate. Since the states all vary in size and to make it comparable for all of the states I have reduced their deer population estimates to deer per square mile.

Here is the various state deer population estimates in deer per square mile of land mass:

State…………………..deer/sq. mile…………………….deer harvest/sq. mile
Ohio……………………..14.7.…………… ……………….........6.15
Virginia………………….25.3.…………… ……………….........6.41
Michigan………………..30.0.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........4.79
New York……………….21.2.…………………⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........4.72
Wisconsin……………….18.4.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........5.10
Maryland………………..25.6.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........9.43
Pennsylvania……………………………….. ................................7.41

Now, if we figured Pennsylvania at an extremely low estimated deer populatoin of only one million deer the number per square mile would be 22.3 deer per square mile. That is a deer population that is very much in line with all of the other states.

Of course the deer are not distributed evenly over the landscape of any state. Some areas have better habitat and thus have more deer. Other areas have no deer because there is no deer habitat. I am sure that fact is true in each of the states.

But, the bottom line is that Pennsylvania deer populations are obviously very much in line with the other states or our deer harvests couldn’t be sustained at the high levels they are.

As for those Deer Chronicles I think everyone should read them with an open mind, maybe they could learn something.

R.S. Bodenhorn
TWO glaring questions form that post, RSB...First, the record high population estimate was 1.6 million and challenged even by DR Rosenberry as being too high an estimate. Harvest trends indicate approximately 50% decline in population since the onset of HR which makes your "research" preposterous. Your "exteremly low" estimate of 1 million animals is likely very high. Try more in the neighborhood of 500-750,000. That gives you DD averages closer to 11-15, placing us squarely at the bottom of that list, which seems to be supported by FLIR studies and harvest reports. Why the intentional deception????
Secondly, you stated that the PGC no longer releases population models to the public. WHY? We justed listed several states in the dialogue of this thread that willingly provide much more information to the public, specifically Virginia which manages roughly the same size state geographically, more comprehensively on a much smaller budget. What is PA hiding. If they released their data you wouldn't have to "research" your own population model (see pull out of your arse.) out of thin air. As for reading those chronicles with an open mind, do you mean the way the commissioners approached the xbow vote overwhelmingly objected by sportsmen, or the open minded way they opted for smaller wmu's and lowering tag allocations that continue to reduce the herd under the guise of "stabilization" mode?
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