I never thought about that. Some of the bullets didnt even hit the paper and one had a bad cant to it. Looks like it wentthrough sideways. Thanks. Do you think my cast bullets have a simular problem? I cant keep a group at 100yds to save my life. 50yds andim on paper but nothing to brag about.I have tried all the sabots I mentioned earlier. I really dont want to buy spendy bullets like S/Ws or SSTs for paper punching, I would much rather cast my own. Also, do you think instead of a 250gr I should cast 300gr? I will be using the 290gr TMZ for hunting with a BH209 load of 110grains.