ok so some say I am crazy. I own a tikka T3, a new sako85, a model 70 Fwt, and a remington 700, all in 6.5x55. any european ammo I have tried including the lapua has devastating results on any memeber of the deer family. Handloading will alow you to extract a little more, but hey if you want something that kicks alot breathes fire like a dragon, by a belted shoulder cannon. The swede will do the same on any northamerican critter at normal hunting ranges that any of them will do, without starting an earthquake. Handloading and good optics..the new 85 , 5 shots covered by a dime.