Sproulman, hope you stay on the other site. Good old boys that are not so cantankerous. It is a shame and I am of the same opinion as you that the agruing on HN is beyond reason and information that might be usable for hunters consumption. This is an emotional time in our country, Obamanation ,gun rights attacks, jobloss, money and housing woes and that venom definitely spreads into this site. But when hunters who would normally be sitting around a campfire having a cold one doscussing the day turn into aggressive, obnoxious writers that have shut out all reason or give, you might be right it is time to move on. I kept coming back here looking for something good to come, but it has turned into the PA PGC political forum and not about hunting in general in our beloved state. Me i'll stick around for a while, and watch as the supposed mouth peices of the sate hunting societies banter and bash but my time will be less and less on HN. I definitely stopped telling people about this site and i have known a few who wouldn't join after visiting. But other sites have a much grander idea of hunting information, sharing ideas and thoughts and don't get into beating on each other. I hope you will saty there, you have great input and experience to share. I fight every day in my job and to keep what I have. I don't want to do it on my time off with friends?