I sold all of my other non-muzzleloading 12 guages years ago and this one's a keeper for sure. The key to the tight pattern is to ram it home harder than hard to the point at which you think the ram rod will snap. The groups are just so tight. I usually find the wads shot at about the 40 yard mark and you can see the sillouettes of the shot embedded in the wad from ramming it so tight. It works and I'm sticking to it. The 20th could not come any sooner. There is a group of 6 big ol gobblers where I hunt that I would like to meet this year. Provided the coyotes had not beat me to the punch.