The old Rem. Hevi shot came in two different loads. The Hevi shot magnums and the Hevi shot high velocity. I never could get a desirable pattern with the high velocity. On the other hand, the magnums, which I still use, pattern excellent for me. I'm down to a box and a half of them. After they are gone, I will use Win. Xtended and Rem. Wingmaster HD's. Mouthcaller, do you know if the wad you are talking about was in the high velocity or the magnums?