5 guys in my group shoot knights. and after the season, we added 2 more converts. 4 original discs, 3 extremes. all .50 caliber all stainless steel. i might consider selling mine, and getting one of the new elite' s. but i will NEVER own a muzzleloader that is not a knight. this was my first attempt at blackpowder shooting, and i think i might put the shotgun on the shelf, and carry the knight durring shotgun season this year.