I think Chap as hit the nail on the head!! I killed many of deer with my TC Hawken with Lyman receiver sight and big heavy slugs (the bigger the better). I hunted with a group, we used to putdrives on so you didn't shoot until the deer was within 25 -75 yards and you had to know what was beyond your target. Now I won this TC Encore Pro Hunter.I"ve sinceupgraded the scope to 3X9 because with the new sabots and powders I realize the range has been extended way beyond what I can shoot with open sights. But I wonder if its taking the original challenge out of muzzle loading.It certainly isn't what it was when I started 40 years ago.