Both climbers you talk about are to bulky to pack into the mountains. I owned a climber for a day and took it from the tree strait back to the store. They need a limbless tree and are simply noisy climbing. The 2 things I liked about them is safety and comfort for long days. Try looking at the ol' man-multi-vision it looks comfortable and dosnt have a bar across the front to get in the way of shooting and it folds up flat for easy packing. Make sure you use it alot before season to get use to it . Good luck