i have tried them, they are ok. i have shot one coyote with them, a big male about 150 but wasnt overely impressed. but at the same time, one kill dont tell my much. i didnt look the dog over very good, mangey!! didnt want to touch the dang thing and carry that crap back to my lab. accuracy is ok. they are not a nosler bt by any means. all in all, will probably stick with the noslers. and if it bears any on the thread, i shot them through a savage 12 in 22-250. and it is all the rifle a person needs and then some.