thank you all for the advice i like hearing this stuff from experienced hunters i watch alot of hunting shows to try and learn alot ... lets put it this way my tv in my room has not left the outdoor channel in 2 months lol. i realy love the life style of hunting i picked up my first gun a couple of months ago its a mossburg 500a bought it at a pawn shop for $150 and i dont think it has had 2 boxes of shells run threw it. And last week i happen to get lucky and buy the muzzle loader that i killed my first deer with so i am just loving everything about hunting and would love to hear from all of u thanks alot