Wyvern, o.k. so the first defender was too loud cause the scope mount was loose that said, did you think after the riser was fixed that its a decent model??, dollars to dollars a little more spent would be wiser spent on the phantom?? or what other brand?? i like the tenpoint acces. line with there bows but was counting in the defender to be my next bow, i have a stealth now and want to go to swept back limb model cause i really like the narrow design being in a stand as much as i am in the fall and winter[oh and the extra speed is nice also but not a deal breaker],speed........