I have been shooting them out of my Winchester Apex and all I can say is WOW! Easiest loading and best grouping projectile I have ever shot through it. Before I began shooting them I got the barrel extra clean first shot at 100yrds was dead on I just knew it would be way low since the powerbelts I was shooting with the same load and wereare much lighter were dead on at that range also. Next shot no barrel swab or anything 1" left then 6 more shots with out even swabbing the barrel they loaded just as easy as the first one and I had just under 2.25" group out of 8 shots! The powerbelts no matter what charge I tried never got better than 5.5" and that was the best I could get anything to shot. I shot a large doe at 65yrd and had an exit wound you could fist in Iwish I would have taken a pic. Then I shot a 37lb bobcat at 58yrds and put an exithole so big I just reached my hand in an pulled the guts out no knife needed. Took the cat to the taxidermis(sp) and he said what the hell do you shot this with a canon. He just couldn't believe the damage. With powerbelts I never had an exit wound on a deer. I shot4 deer andluckly all where recovered.

Oh I shoot 90gr or 777.