I just got back from the pro shop from shooting the Admiral and the Iceman, and both had their pros and cons but imo, the Admiral beats the Iceman hands down. Both of them had some vibration after the shot but the Admiral's wasn't as long as the Iceman's. The Iceman was a smooter draw but louder and the Admiral had a little bump to pull over but was extremely quiet, I didn't even know I had shot the arrow. Anyone who has one, can you tell me how it shoots when you have everything on it because all these had on them was a whisker biscuit rest which I did not like. I also had to shoot it without a loop which I am not used to but that wasn't all that bad. Overall I think I will be buying the Admiral before next fall rolls around.