Thanks for the info, I do practice out to 300 with my 270 but i'm looking for a smaller caliber so that my daughter can use it as well, I'm at a point where i would enjoy her killing a deer a lot more than me killing one. I am trying to find how small i can and still have the dropping power because i'm not going to quit hunting just want something we both can share, don't have the money for 2 guns. It seems a 25-06 is still big enough and light enough for her to shoot.