If I am 10 yards away from the scrape and rub I loose sight. It is thick dense brush all around, trees that are too small for ladder stands and brush too thick for ground blinds. It is so thick that if you move away any further you'll miss the shot due to a branch or twig in the way. It's a good spot that attracks big deer. Like I said earlier I have already lost a 12 point this season. Visibility is very low. You have to pry your way through this stuff.