I'm trying to tell you, even if they never killed another doe in these areas, you may not see a significant population increase...ever. I don't expect to see 100+ deer a season like I did 10-12 years ago. If I see 30% of that in a season, I'm happy. As long as I see the right one. NY, PA, OH, or Venus, it all works the same, no food, no deer. Throw in a little extra predation from coyotes on fawns, and the population balances out. Granted you could wipe out the population with unlimited hunting, but we have seasons, most of which haven't changed dramatically in the past 20 yrs. Golden rod is not as nutritious as corn, soy beans, clover and alfalfa. In forested habits, a good mast crop a couple years in row might give you a little boost in deer population. But deer have to compete with squirrel, turkey, chipmunks, mice, and other birds for mast.

Part of this is sociological, people want to see deer even if they can't kill them. Its a bragging thing, "I saw 30 deer this year" sounds better than "I only saw 8 deer this year". Is the guy who saw 30 a better hunter than the guy who saw 8? Many people wrongly think so. It boils down to whats best for the overall herd, not the hunter.

Its funny, many people on this board fear Obama's socialist regulation of government, i.e. guns. Yet we want the government to tell us which deer to shoot (AR). Huh? A bit ironic. Like I said, deer managment is at the tip of your trigger finger.