I am 100% convinced that unless you hunt out of a climber "A LOT", a guy can never be as quiet with one as you want. I've owned a climber for years now and maybe have used it 5 or so times a year. I fumble around with that thing and make so much noise climbing that it makes me want to puke. lol I'm not just good enough with it to be as quiet as I like.

I have a lone wolf lock on with sticks and I can get up in a tree 20 times quieter and near as fast as when I use the climber.