So tonight yet again was a total bust... It was a good place in the bottom of a vally with a rye field at the top I was set up in a tree about 18foot 20 yards from a stream behind me I had good shooting lanes out to 40 yards and there where huge tracks and scrapes all over the place... but I still saw nothing... I dont know whats going to become of this rut. and how things are going to go after shotgun season.