Thanks rr,yeah I attest and verify the fact about larger game is too big for them. In fact,1/2 of the coyotes I've seen shot with the .17 hmr ran off and of the 1s we found later,the bullets were perfectly placed. Just hitting a rib on yotes exploded the tiny bullets. Some of the yotes that ran off looked weird as they had a saucer sized patch of hide knocked off.