Thanks sabotloader, good to hear someone has tried the 25ACP conversion with BH209. I still use 777 and the CCI (400?) small rifle primer. It does indeed solve the crud issue with 777 and given that I already have everything worked out so well (sighting in this year consisted of 2 shots, one at 100 and one at 300 yds both within .75in of aim) that I have no plans to switch until something gives me problems.