Phil: Alot of 8' s would be dead deer in the woods. If the Ibo wants to make a smaller, tougher to hit scoring ring than so be it. It is up to us to hit it and score better. I have shot alot of 3-d' s and I would take alot of low 8' s over the high 10 in the woods. And alot of down hill, up hill, or angled shots would need to be hit in 5 teritory instead of 10' s to put the animal down in the woods. So the point about real hunting results is weak at best. 40 10' s is great shooting but if their is a smaller scoring ring (and there is now) 26 10' s, 10 11' s and 4 8' s is better. Just like a spot target 60 9' s is good but 60 10' s are better and 60 x' s are still better yet. A lot of shooter can get lucky and grab a ten line on a deer size animal, but you don' t often miss a yardage by 3 and get the 11 or punch the trigger and get the 11. So you get rewarded for a perfect shot when you hit the 11 ring. Sounds good to me. Bill