Jeff here is my setup. 67 lbs guardian shooting a relativly light 354 grain arrow. two blade 100 grain rages. The Doe i just shot was 20 yards. The shot was a pass through comming out in the middle of the opposite shoulder. I have shot two turkeys with them. One was in the wing joint at 18 yards. it went half in and half out the othe side. perfect for turkeys. The other i have no idea. The shot was in the neck/chest at fifteen yards in some weeds. the bird dropped dead but my arrow was laying on the ground in front of it but with no blood other that the first 8 inches [&:]im thinking i bounced it off the spine.