Ok, Nomercy, I agree, and most I say would if they were honest. With that way of thinking, then the 22-250 is not undergunned when it comes to deer hunting. Cause I see serious bowhunters take finer deer than gunhunters. And with a bow, I don' t feel undergunned. I feel IMHO, that a bow is plenty for hunting, and makes people a better hunter than waiting till gun season and having a mass amount of people push the deer out. I gun hunt, and always will.