I totally agree with you dopler. If it is a young kid or first deer for someone then thats ok. But after a while everyone should start setting some higher standards. If a guy says I will not shoot a deer until it is 4 years old, even if it isn't a giant that at least lets the deer become mature to get to its full potential. The management program has been around for a long time and I think that it is time for people to start following it. Just my two bits...