Glad to hear that Sabotloader. It confirms my suspicion that it's just not a 100 yard bullet. That 65 grain load would be sweet for small critters at 50 yards or less - recoil with the Renegade is nil.

Don't know that I would shoot a deer with this bullet, but if I had to the 105 grain load is ripping right along -and you can't fault it's 50 yard accuracy.