Ok Ok MB-187............. I cant believe your sitting here reading these reply's I've just sat here the last 10 min reading all these posts and some of them are very funny, Im MB-187's hunting buddy and like he said we walked into the woods up the four wheeler trail and we heard a growl(it lasted a total time of about 20 min)......yes a growl, I boughta MADGROWLa few years back thinking that is was going to bring deer to me on a string( ha didnt work all too well), we stopped and listed to it for so long that it was starting to get light when i got to my stand, we could also hear him walking in the woods ahead of us when we would stop you could hear the growl and hear him walking and moving around...... When I was sitting in my tree stand just b4 light I also let out a few growls and about 20 min later a 6 pointed came out of the pine thickets behind me, not sure if it was the deer making the growl but he came out to see what the noise was.... So like he said it was a growl and yes we did hear it.... and I also read in Deer&Deer Hunter that there is a mini rut in the middle of Oct. so maybe there was a hot doe in the area and he was just doing what deer do when they get all worked up......