I been comin' to these sites for 18 months or so. Its gettin' easier for me to tell the old timers and experienced young fellers from those full of horse hooey. Nub, you take that puny 125 grainer and shoot at an old tractor tire from 100 yards. Look at the bullets. Then put that rifle up for a deer gun and get yerself a proper moose rifle that don' t require as much luck to kill cleanly with. Then go ask yer daddy if you can start shaving cause yer now on yer way to bein' a man.